[SGVLUG] job markets and interviews

[Jesse Garcia]

Software most likely, but I'd like to do mobile in the mean time, but I think I'm going to focus on software development in my degree. I go to csuf

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On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Julie <tearsea88 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Which area do you want to go into?  Hardware?  Software?  Application development?  web based?  desktop based?  mobile based?
> 
> From: Jesse Garcia <aicrag11 at gmail.com>
> To: SGVLUG Discussion List. <sgvlug at sgvlug.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [SGVLUG] job markets and interviews
> 
> Matti,
> 
>  I really enjoyed your info! I am still in school and was looking to see hopefully to get some experience while in school so that by the time I graduate, I have more than just that requirement, I have the experience that many require as well. Being that I'm new to this I don't know how realistic it is for me to think this is possible. I read Dans email and am currently working to learning the skill sets required to apply for his internship. But what do you guys recommend for a beginner in programming, currently still learning C an plan to move up gradually, but I notice on these emails I half the time don't understand . So what kind of studying can I do, aside from school, to learn these things in advanced. Mostly pertaining to programming. Books or anything... Thanks in advanced.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 17, 2012, at 8:23 PM, matti <mathew_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Julie,
>> 
>> I have heard of this, however, I doubt we will see this happen
>> with a lot of the tech jobs ( at least the ones which require 
>> experience ). Probably will see it with other jobs.
>> 
>> Interviews take time. You can easily expect to take a good 1/2
>> day on an on site interview. ( also recruiters may want to see
>> you in person also before submitting you to a position. )
>> Most of the time, they will have you interview with multiple
>> people on the same day.
>> 
>> Since there are very many tech job openings currently for those with
>> experience my guess is that if the companies spend too much
>> time dragging their feet they will miss a chance to pickup 
>> talent.
>> 
>> The funny thing I still see, is the ads on Craigslist asking for the
>> world in experience for tech skilled "interns and students" and saying it will be a 
>> good experience and they will pay for your ( gas | lunch | parking | twinkie )
>> but not basically pay you, or if they do pay only $10/hr for someone who
>> really should be getting paid better ( judging by the requirements.. )
>> 
>> Honestly I hope any of these "interns" just go into business themselves,
>> as they will probably do better.
>> 
>> Also, I am seeing still some 3rd parties who will be getting a great cut
>> out of your wages for a short term contract and want to pay you less
>> than what others are willing to pay for your skills full time.
>> 
>> Honestly, I think they will have a hard time to fill those positions,
>> especially those in the Bay Area.
>> 
>> What I am also seeing now is that the recruiters are young (i.e. not as
>> experienced as I have seen in the past. ) and may have only
>> been doing this job for 1-2years. Some are much better than
>> others, but sometimes I wonder if they aren't just cold calling
>> the HR manager in the first place. A good recruiter should be
>> able to get your resume reviewed by the hiring manager.. or
>> so you hope.
>> 
>> Often I have gotten approached by several recruiters for the same
>> position. ( you have to be careful, you only want to be submitted
>> once to that job or your resume may get rejected.. )
>> 
>> Going to interviews I have found areas which I needed to brush up on,
>> as it seems everyone likes to quiz you on tech. So, even if you go
>> on a few interviews and get no job offer you will learn what you
>> need to focus more on in terms of skill set.
>> 
>> The hard part I still see out there is the "catch 22", needing a
>> particular type of experience before you can get the job which
>> will give you that experience.
>> 
>> Thankfully, linux and cloud computing as made this very affordable
>> to learn. HOWEVER, if you are in a tight position financially even
>> a minimal cost can break your monthly budget.
>> 
>> Hope this was useful! 
>> 
>> thanks
>> matti
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Julie <tearsea88 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "sgvlug at sgvlug.org" <sgvlug at sgvlug.org> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:48 PM
>> Subject: [SGVLUG] job markets and interviews
>> 
>> Have you also experienced something like this too, Matti?
>> 
>> http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/16/11163033-job-candidates-purgatory-multiple-interviews-per-job?lite
>> 
>> 
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