[SGVLUG] ATT DSL Gateway choices, which gateway do you like?

Tue Aug 14 14:01:46 PDT 2012

Can you explain what not doing bridging well means? Having something
only kind of bridge seems odd. I'm curious as I had the 2wire wireless
gateway when I had uverse less than a year ago, wondering if their
equipment did radically change or there's something else amiss we can
diagnose.

- Eric

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Doug <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Yeah, even their new router/modem can't really do bridging well. If you want to configure your equipment at all, stay far, faaaar away from the motorola nvg510...
>
> Eric Gillingham <gillingham at bikezen.net> wrote:
>
>>I should note both the 2wire uverse router and the normal dsl modem att
>>provided to me had a bridge mode setting I used just fine to bypass their
>>lack of functionality.
>>On Aug 13, 2012 3:22 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and Doug, just buy a cheapie single port ADSL2+ modem and put it into
>>> bridge mode. Make sure you set the DSL config to VPI 0 / VCI 35, then use
>>> the router of your choice. 2Wire equipment doesn't seem to be made with the
>>> end user's needs in mind. If you're a regular home user, it'll suffice. If
>>> you're a nerd (hint: if you're on our list, you probably resemble that
>>> description - one of us, one of us), you'll learn to hate them the more you
>>> try to push it.
>>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:58 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I deal with them regularly, and anything I haven't learned from their
>>>> Level 2 techs, I got from digging through forums, wikipedia links, and over
>>>> 5 years of trial and error at work. Glad I could be of service. If Matti
>>>> still needs a spare modem, I still have it ready to lend. Also, I'm happy
>>>> to answer any other questions if anyone has them. :)
>>>>
>>>> - Dan B.
>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:12 PM, "Matthew Campbell" <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice explanation Dan, great support too.  I wish they would take a
>>>>> lesson from you!
>>>>>
>>>>> We all really appreciate useful responses like this one from our
>>>>> friends.  This really is a great LUG.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>  On Aug 13, 2012 8:10 AM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug, can you get me your line levels? In the usual screens for that
>>>>>> info, there should be something labeled "_____ path" with either
>>>>>> 'interleaved' or 'fast' as a value. Fast path gives you lower pings
>>>>>> (10-20ms), but is less resilient against noise. Interleaved can handle
>>>>>> noisier lines, at a cost of having a higher ping (45-70ms). My guess is the
>>>>>> tech changed your config in the DSLAM to compensate for a deteriorating
>>>>>> line. A Level 2 tech can explain it to you if you're savvy enough to hold
>>>>>> on to all the frequency explanations. You can have the tech remotely change
>>>>>> you back to fast path if you're on interleaved, but if you start having
>>>>>> sync problems, you'll have to go back.
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 1:28 AM, "Doug" <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ugh story of my life...I USED to have under 10ms ping to my favorite
>>>>>>> counter strike server, att came out and made "repairs" and now I'm lucky if
>>>>>>> I get 50, it's a great quantitative measurement of how much they suck lol.
>>>>>>> Not to mention that their static ip service comes with a router THAT WON'T
>>>>>>> ROUTE IP ADDRESSES. I'm going to be switching isps, my deepest sympathies
>>>>>>> that you can't :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matthew Campbell <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >I have uVerse and POTS.  They never asked me to drop one for the
>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >I had a 6Mbit connection for years, then AT&T 'upgraded' wiring in our
>>>>>>> >neighborhood and my rate dropped to 2.  I called, I complained, I
>>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>>> >and raved and they insisted that I had never had better than 2 and
>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>> >should go away.  I ended up having to cut the wire to my house and
>>>>>>> hook the
>>>>>>> >modem up outside to show them the poor rate.  They came out and fixed
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> >back to 6Mb/s finally!  Four weeks later it dropped back to 2.  I
>>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>>> >and raved and they eventually fixed it.  Four months later it dropped
>>>>>>> >again.  This time they fixed it in 48 hours.  All in all, just
>>>>>>> counting the
>>>>>>> >hours I have logged I have spent 92 unpaid hours on the phone with
>>>>>>> AT&T
>>>>>>> >sorting out their incorrect billing or crappy service over the last 2
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >They are the worst company I have ever had the misfortune to deal
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >And they have the government backed monopoly in my neighborhood, no
>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>> >change to anything else.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Matt
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >P.S.  In their favor their billing was never off more than $500 and
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> >didn't cut my service more than twice due to their own internal
>>>>>>> billing
>>>>>>> >mistakes.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>>> >*Matthew Campbell*
>>>>>>> >Storage Solution Consultant
>>>>>>> >Storage Design and Engineering
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >*Kaiser Permanente*
>>>>>>> >IMG-Systems Integration
>>>>>>> >99 S. Oakland
>>>>>>> >Pasadena, CA 91101
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >626-564-7228 (office)
>>>>>>> >8-338-7228 (tie-line)
>>>>>>> >818-314-9897 (mobile phone)
>>>>>>> >Green Center 3-North, 031W29
>>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>>> >*kp.org/thrive*
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Scott Packard <spackard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> > Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>>> of an
>>>>>>> >> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but I
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> >> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911 doesn't
>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>> >> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> You can't.  If you sign up for Uverse they force you off of POTS.
>>>>>>> >> I've been there, tried that.  Fought that.  Wrote letters.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Regards, Scott
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Dan Buthusiem <
>>>>>>> dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>>> of an
>>>>>>> >>> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but
>>>>>>> I still
>>>>>>> >>> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911
>>>>>>> doesn't require
>>>>>>> >>> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>