[SGVLUG] ATT DSL Gateway choices, which gateway do you like?

Tue Aug 14 14:14:35 PDT 2012

You can see this page for a whole bunch of info, the bridging instructions are about halfway down: http://www.ron-berman.com/2011/11/24/motorola-nvg510-help-page-for-att-u-verse-users/
What's really annoying is that when you do that you can only bridge one ip address, thus defeating the whole point of static ips.

Eric Gillingham <gillingham at bikezen.net> wrote:

>Can you explain what not doing bridging well means? Having something
>only kind of bridge seems odd. I'm curious as I had the 2wire wireless
>gateway when I had uverse less than a year ago, wondering if their
>equipment did radically change or there's something else amiss we can
>diagnose.
>
>- Eric
>
>On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Doug <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Yeah, even their new router/modem can't really do bridging well. If you want to configure your equipment at all, stay far, faaaar away from the motorola nvg510...
>>
>> Eric Gillingham <gillingham at bikezen.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I should note both the 2wire uverse router and the normal dsl modem att
>>>provided to me had a bridge mode setting I used just fine to bypass their
>>>lack of functionality.
>>>On Aug 13, 2012 3:22 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and Doug, just buy a cheapie single port ADSL2+ modem and put it into
>>>> bridge mode. Make sure you set the DSL config to VPI 0 / VCI 35, then use
>>>> the router of your choice. 2Wire equipment doesn't seem to be made with the
>>>> end user's needs in mind. If you're a regular home user, it'll suffice. If
>>>> you're a nerd (hint: if you're on our list, you probably resemble that
>>>> description - one of us, one of us), you'll learn to hate them the more you
>>>> try to push it.
>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:58 PM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I deal with them regularly, and anything I haven't learned from their
>>>>> Level 2 techs, I got from digging through forums, wikipedia links, and over
>>>>> 5 years of trial and error at work. Glad I could be of service. If Matti
>>>>> still needs a spare modem, I still have it ready to lend. Also, I'm happy
>>>>> to answer any other questions if anyone has them. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dan B.
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 2:12 PM, "Matthew Campbell" <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice explanation Dan, great support too.  I wish they would take a
>>>>>> lesson from you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all really appreciate useful responses like this one from our
>>>>>> friends.  This really is a great LUG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>  On Aug 13, 2012 8:10 AM, "Dan Buthusiem" <dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug, can you get me your line levels? In the usual screens for that
>>>>>>> info, there should be something labeled "_____ path" with either
>>>>>>> 'interleaved' or 'fast' as a value. Fast path gives you lower pings
>>>>>>> (10-20ms), but is less resilient against noise. Interleaved can handle
>>>>>>> noisier lines, at a cost of having a higher ping (45-70ms). My guess is the
>>>>>>> tech changed your config in the DSLAM to compensate for a deteriorating
>>>>>>> line. A Level 2 tech can explain it to you if you're savvy enough to hold
>>>>>>> on to all the frequency explanations. You can have the tech remotely change
>>>>>>> you back to fast path if you're on interleaved, but if you start having
>>>>>>> sync problems, you'll have to go back.
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2012 1:28 AM, "Doug" <dougvargas at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ugh story of my life...I USED to have under 10ms ping to my favorite
>>>>>>>> counter strike server, att came out and made "repairs" and now I'm lucky if
>>>>>>>> I get 50, it's a great quantitative measurement of how much they suck lol.
>>>>>>>> Not to mention that their static ip service comes with a router THAT WON'T
>>>>>>>> ROUTE IP ADDRESSES. I'm going to be switching isps, my deepest sympathies
>>>>>>>> that you can't :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matthew Campbell <dvdmatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >I have uVerse and POTS.  They never asked me to drop one for the
>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >I had a 6Mbit connection for years, then AT&T 'upgraded' wiring in our
>>>>>>>> >neighborhood and my rate dropped to 2.  I called, I complained, I
>>>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>>>> >and raved and they insisted that I had never had better than 2 and
>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>> >should go away.  I ended up having to cut the wire to my house and
>>>>>>>> hook the
>>>>>>>> >modem up outside to show them the poor rate.  They came out and fixed
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> >back to 6Mb/s finally!  Four weeks later it dropped back to 2.  I
>>>>>>>> ranted
>>>>>>>> >and raved and they eventually fixed it.  Four months later it dropped
>>>>>>>> >again.  This time they fixed it in 48 hours.  All in all, just
>>>>>>>> counting the
>>>>>>>> >hours I have logged I have spent 92 unpaid hours on the phone with
>>>>>>>> AT&T
>>>>>>>> >sorting out their incorrect billing or crappy service over the last 2
>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >They are the worst company I have ever had the misfortune to deal
>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >And they have the government backed monopoly in my neighborhood, no
>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>> >change to anything else.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Matt
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >P.S.  In their favor their billing was never off more than $500 and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> >didn't cut my service more than twice due to their own internal
>>>>>>>> billing
>>>>>>>> >mistakes.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>>>> >*Matthew Campbell*
>>>>>>>> >Storage Solution Consultant
>>>>>>>> >Storage Design and Engineering
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >*Kaiser Permanente*
>>>>>>>> >IMG-Systems Integration
>>>>>>>> >99 S. Oakland
>>>>>>>> >Pasadena, CA 91101
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >626-564-7228 (office)
>>>>>>>> >8-338-7228 (tie-line)
>>>>>>>> >818-314-9897 (mobile phone)
>>>>>>>> >Green Center 3-North, 031W29
>>>>>>>> >---------
>>>>>>>> >*kp.org/thrive*
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Scott Packard <spackard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>>>> of an
>>>>>>>> >> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but I
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> >> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911 doesn't
>>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>>> >> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> You can't.  If you sign up for Uverse they force you off of POTS.
>>>>>>>> >> I've been there, tried that.  Fought that.  Wrote letters.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Regards, Scott
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Dan Buthusiem <
>>>>>>>> dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> Just make sure you still have a regular copper drop in the event
>>>>>>>> of an
>>>>>>>> >>> emergency. Sure, the VoIP gateway has a hefty battery backup, but
>>>>>>>> I still
>>>>>>>> >>> prefer having an old fashioned phone line just in case (911
>>>>>>>> doesn't require
>>>>>>>> >>> a phone service account with telco, just a working jack with dial
>>>>>>>> tone).
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>