[SGVLUG] Recommendations for > 100 MBbs routers

[Dan Buthusiem]

If that's the route you're heading, Netgear's WNDR4300 has worked well in
the number of places I've installed it. It handles DDWRT nicely, too. Good
speed and decent range. I think I last bought one for about $80. Don't
expect to get anything more than 15-20 Mbps over wifi unless you're on 5GHz
N, though that holds true for nearly all wireless hardware I've played with
in that performance tier up to 802.11N. I can't speak for AC or AD, though
60GHz sounds like it'd be a pain to get any distance out of.

On Aug 17, 2016 8:31 PM, "Claude Felizardo" <cafelizardo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, learning about a cisco router is going to be a far bigger project
> than what I time for so I'm going to have to go with something intermediate
> that just works because the family wants something that works yesterday.
>
> To answer Jess B, while it would be nice to run third-party firmware,
> again, I need something that I won't have to keep tweaking so I'm not
> opposed to not being able to hack everything anymore.
>
> And while I like the LED indicators on the ubiquity edgemax elite 3, I'm
> also leaning toward an integrated router/switch/wifi because I've got so
> many outlet strips connected to the UPS's that it's not funny.  Having a
> console port and minimum number of ports reminds me of my Netgear RT311
> router i still have mounted on the wall in my closet.
>
> I was able to temporarily connect my desktop directly to the Giggle Fiber
> modem and run a couple speed tests and I was pleasantly surprised to see
> 230-320 Mbps down and 20-24 Mbps up at about 1 am against a couple of
> different speed testing web sites.
>
> So I'm still sitting on the fence between the TP-Link Archer C9 and the
> UTT router.   I was happy with the TL-SG108E and the manual for the UTT
> AC750GW looks pretty good with the number of features and that multi WAN
> option looks pretty neat.  The guy in the cubical next door has been pretty
> happy with his.  Both are available on Amazon for under $120.
>
> Claude
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Matthew Campbell <dvdmatt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Claude,
> >
> > Here are a couple of suggestions for Cisco gear.  They are
> > professional routers with full programability and functionality.  The
> > interface is all cli which is freely documented... if you take the $6k
> > Cisco certification class.  Having taken the class I found I knew more
> > than the instructor before the class even started.  He couldn't get
> > the lab equipment hooked up so I set it up for the class, all without
> > training.  He thought I was a re-cert.
> >
> > In the end the syntax is a bit obscure but the operations fairly
> intuitive.
> >
> > There are dozens of 2k and 3k routers on eBay in the $70-$170 range.
> > Here's one picked at random for $90:
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-3825-Gigabit-Router-15-1-IOS-
> CCNA-CCNP-CISCO3825-1-Year-Warranty-/262462974020?hash=item3d1c032844:g:
> npoAAOSw4q9XTgDy
> >
> > It comes with only 2 1G ports, but comes with VPN, firewall,
> > encryption and a whole lot of expansion slots.  Voice, ATM, DSL, etc.
> > all fairly easy to add but if you are going to do a lot the modules
> > add up and you should buy a router already equipped.
> >
> > Here's the technical detail:
> > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/routers/3825-
> integrated-services-router-isr/index.html
> >
> > Do your research, there are a lot of options and it's a fun project to
> > play with.  If you take a couple of days and work this out there is a
> > lot of application in the workplace.
> >
> > One of the things I learned is that you need to make sure you get a
> > unit with maxed memory so you can download the latest firmware.  I
> > ended up paying an extra $35 for an expansion.
> >
> > At the end of the day you can get a Ferrari for the same price as a
> > new VW if you are careful.
> >
> > Matt
> > ---------
> > Matthew Campbell
> > Storage and Cloud Strategy
> > Office of the CTO
> >
> > Kaiser Permanente
> > 99 S. Oakland
> > Pasadena, CA 91101
> >
> > 626-564-7228 (office)
> > 8-338-7228 (tie-line)
> > 818-314-9897 (mobile phone)
> > Green Center 3-North, 031W29
> > ---------
> > kp.org/thrive
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Munjal Thakkar <m00njal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> +1 for the ubiquiti erlite 3. Router. You'll be amazed at how they
> perform
> >> for the cost. Google the brand, you'll find a lot on them, surprised you
> >> haven't heard of them.
> >>
> >> I've switched all my equipment, my clients, and my work network
> >> infrastructure to UbNt routers and their Unifi line of work equipment.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 16, 2016 20:34, "Jess Bermudes" <jbermudes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A word of warning about the TP-Link router. TP-Link jumped the gun on
> the
> >>> new FCC regulations and tried to lock down the flashing of third-party
> >>> firmware. While it's not impossible, it can be quite the task if
> you're new
> >>> to the firmware flashing game. I have an Archer C7 you can play around
> with
> >>> at HAK this Thursday if you want to see it. I'll probably be trying to
> >>> restore the original firmware as flashing OpenWRT on it was
> unsuccessful for
> >>> reasons I won't know until I open it up and connect a serial cable to
> it.
> >>>
> >>> Were you looking for something specifically to run third-party
> firmware?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Claude Felizardo <
> cafelizardo at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> So how much is a used Cisco pro router or a new linksys router?  I
> really
> >>>> don't need to know how to configure a cisco router.  I've never heard
> of
> >>>> Ubiquiti.  The Netgear's look pretty cool but a bit too expensive.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been looking at the TP-Link AC1900 Archer C9 which is
> available on
> >>>> amazon for $120 but someone told me about the UTT AC750GW that
> supports
> >>>> IPSec/PPTP VPN, detachable antennas and multiple WAN ports which
> sounds very
> >>>> interesting as it can do link aggregation or you can configure it to
> send
> >>>> outbound traffic to different ISPs based on destination or source IP.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.uttglobal.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Matthew Campbell <dvdmatt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I picked up a used Cisco professional router on eBay for about the
> >>>> same cost as a good Linksys runs new.  For the learning experience
> >>>> alone it was worth every penny.
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hicks <chicks.net at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've had good luck with https://routerboard.com/ which supports 1G
> ports
> >>>> and has a rustic but usable web GUI.  You can get them as raw boards
> or
> >>>> integrated into rack-mountable package.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Jess Bermudes <jbermudes at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've heard a lot of praise for Ubiqiti's stuff, and have used it in
> the
> >>>>> past and agree it's lot of bang for your buck, but I'm hesitant to
> give them
> >>>>> my full support when they're not a good citizen of the open source
> world and
> >>>>> actively violate the GPL:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Dan Buthusiem <
> dan.buthusiem at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> SmallNetBuilder's review of Ubiquiti's EdgeRouter Lite sold me on
> it,
> >>>>>> since it was able to hold 950 Mbps per port at a $100 price point.
> My
> >>>>>> Netgears aren't supposed to be able to hold much more than about
> 500 Mbps
> >>>>>> per port WAN to LAN, so I only use them as APs. It seems WiFi goes
> obsolete
> >>>>>> much faster than routers and switches, which is why I keep the
> access points
> >>>>>> as separate boxes from the rest of my network - having to take down
> my
> >>>>>> entire network for a different wireless box is annoying.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've got a dual WAN router I'm due to migrate off of soon, since
> it's
> >>>>>> nearing its EOL. If you'd like to borrow the ErLite3, I've got a
> spare you
> >>>>>> can play with for a bit. I haven't noticed anything else that beats
> it for
> >>>>>> its price point. Their Unifi APs look very tempting, too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As far as your modem question, there's nothing you should need to
> tune.
> >>>>>> I would look into its statistics page to see your speed profile,
> negotiated
> >>>>>> rate (the fastest speed your modem can manage to the node, based on
> line
> >>>>>> conditions), and your attenuation / noise. This way, you'll be able
> to see
> >>>>>> if your speed issues are due to poor line conditions or possible
> >>>>>> oversubscription of the node.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2016 4:51 PM, "Matthew Campbell" <dvdmatt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I picked up a used Cisco professional router on eBay for about the
> >>>>>>> same cost as a good Linksys runs new.  For the learning experience
> >>>>>>> alone it was worth every penny.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>>> Matthew Campbell
> >>>>>>> Storage and Cloud Strategy
> >>>>>>> Office of the CTO
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kaiser Permanente
> >>>>>>> 99 S. Oakland
> >>>>>>> Pasadena, CA 91101
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 626-564-7228 (office)
> >>>>>>> 8-338-7228 (tie-line)
> >>>>>>> 818-314-9897 (mobile phone)
> >>>>>>> Green Center 3-North, 031W29
> >>>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>>> kp.org/thrive
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Claude Felizardo
> >>>>>>> <cafelizardo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> The TimeWarner bundle promo ended so the rate went up so I decided
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> give Giggle Fiber a try.  That's giggle with an I, not two O's.
> >>>>>>>> They
> >>>>>>>> bought out Champion cable in Arcadia/Monrovia so it's fiber to a
> >>>>>>>> node
> >>>>>>>> somewhere in the the neighborhood then coax to your home.  With
> TWC
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> was getting 80-90 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up, obviously capped for
> >>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>> I was paying but we'd get drop outs constantly and the speeds
> would
> >>>>>>>> vary so much depending on time of day.  Giggle claims on their web
> >>>>>>>> site that most users get over 300 and when I talked to them last
> >>>>>>>> year,
> >>>>>>>> they said because they do not offer cable TV and had fewer
> >>>>>>>> subscribers
> >>>>>>>> this meant they had plenty of capacity.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I had the installer pull a brand new cable and run it to my wiring
> >>>>>>>> closet because I was keeping TWC for TV programming and phone for
> >>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>> -- will try asterisk so Paul's talk was timely.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Using Giggle, the upload is hitting 20 Mbps up but down is less
> than
> >>>>>>>> TWC at around 50-70 Mbps which is a far cry from 200 Mbps so I was
> >>>>>>>> disappointed.  Now most of my equipment is 10/100 with cat5 home
> run
> >>>>>>>> to a wiring closet where I have the routers installed (TWC and
> >>>>>>>> Giggle)
> >>>>>>>> which can then connect to a switch in the closet then to various
> >>>>>>>> drops
> >>>>>>>> in the house including two with switches because I have more
> >>>>>>>> equipment
> >>>>>>>> at those locations.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I did upgrade one of the switches to a TP-Link SG108E which is an
> >>>>>>>> 8-port 10/100/1000 smart (web) switch with speed indicator LEDs
> >>>>>>>> (10/100/1000).  It has a menu option to test the connections and
> it
> >>>>>>>> will report cable lengths in meters as well as confirm connection
> >>>>>>>> speed.  Now the newest router I have is a TP-Link WDR3600 with
> N600
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> an older Netgear WNR200 both of which I was using when I still had
> >>>>>>>> DSL.   Both have 4 gigabit ports but no indicators lights.
> Measured
> >>>>>>>> cable distance from remote switch to closet is 18m which is about
> >>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>> I expected.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For testing WiFi, the only AC device we haver is my son's
> >>>>>>>> smartphone,
> >>>>>>>> everything else is G or N speed.  For wired devices, the only
> thing
> >>>>>>>> where we could run some kind of speed test was the Xbox One and
> the
> >>>>>>>> best speed we saw was 140 Mbs down and that was when we connecting
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Xbox directly to the modem and cycle power so it will give up an
> IP.
> >>>>>>>> Otherwise going through the WDR3600, we're getting usually slower
> >>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>> TWC for download but upload is much better which will be good for
> >>>>>>>> trying to backup to the cloud.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Now when I ordered Giggle Fiber, they suggested I get at least an
> >>>>>>>> AC1900 router, the installer pretty much said the same.  I could
> see
> >>>>>>>> doing that if we had more AC devices but since most of our
> equipment
> >>>>>>>> is only N speed, I was hoping that my wired computers would see a
> >>>>>>>> nice
> >>>>>>>> speed increase but I'm wondering if my older router just can't
> push
> >>>>>>>> the data fast enough.  Is this really the case?  The TWC rented
> >>>>>>>> Arris
> >>>>>>>> router has 4 gigabit ports and is doing better than the older
> >>>>>>>> router.
> >>>>>>>> I have not tried the WNR2000 yet because the specs say its only
> >>>>>>>> capable of N300 wireless.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So does anyone have suggestions for replacing my old router?  I
> may
> >>>>>>>> need to pick up another gigabit switch for the other room if
> >>>>>>>> replacing
> >>>>>>>> the router makes a difference. And the speeds has seemed to get
> >>>>>>>> better
> >>>>>>>> since the first day - do modems need to be tuned?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Claude
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Christopher Hicks
> >>>> http://www.chicks.net/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
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